I wasn't going to, I really wasn't!
But here I am, being political.
I had a good talk with my brother this morning.
He has been instrumental in a shift in my thinking--and I think, vice versa.
We often challenge each other to actually stop and think about our worldview, and I am thankful for that.
In case you're wondering, the reason I haven't written much was because I was unsure of my motives.
In the past, I think I would only written so at the end of the day, I could win an argument, or prove someone wrong, and that made me feel yucky.
Or, I was afraid that everyone would think I was crazy.
I mean, I see how people would.
I'm crazy to some, for believing that a man who lived 2000 years ago is truly, truly God.
I'm crazy to believe the bible is true.
I'm crazy because I am a pacifist.
I'm crazy because I'm not patriotic.
I sinfully care very, very much what people think of me, and I didn't want to alienate myself.
Today I am burdened.
Today my heart ACHES, my stomach hurts, my soul longs for people--especially other people who are also followers of Jesus, to at least try to see things a different way, to at least consider these thoughts.
4 years ago, I was an un-enthusiastic Bush supporter.
I disagreed with much of his policy, but I didn't know what other choice to make, because I thought the only way to defend life, in this case, the unborn, was to cast a vote for a right wing political leader.
Josh told me he was probably voting for Nader, and challenged my about my choice for Bush.
I brought up abortion, and the fact that to me, nothing else mattered.
In my perspective at the time, I was choosing between the economy and the life of babies, and to me the choice was clear.
I know that to many pro-choice proponents, that sounds crazy, but I do really believe in my heart that even if I didn't think of myself as a believer in Christ, I would still think the unborn are people, solely based on my pregnancies and having seen ultrasounds of my children.
That doesn't mean that I don't think about the slew of problems that come to children born to parents who don't want to be parents, etc., it's something I think about all the time, and something I'm sort of working out in my own brain at the moment--but back to the issue at hand.
Josh brought up issues I had NEVER thought of before.
I remember we were in the car, driving up to our San Luis house, and I was crying and asking him why it wasn't important for him to think about the lives of the babies.
He said things like, "Is there a difference between the life of a civilian Iraqi child, and the life of an American unborn baby? Have you thought about the life of the child forced to work in a factory in a 3rd world country because of our policy in America?"
Wow.
No, embarrassingly enough, I had not thought of it that way, and I had nothing to say.
It opened a gigantic can of worms.
It wasn't easy anymore.
It was much easier to have one issue that just trumped all the other issues.
My brother and I began having conversations about pacifism.
I didn't really realize that's what we were even talking about, but I started listening to some podcasts by a songwriter I respect, basically talking about pacifism, and I thought to myself, "THIS is what I think, THIS is what I believe!"
I know people will argue the numbers with me and say that more babies are aborted than are killed in a war.
I know people will use the verses in the New Testament that talk about the government wielding the sword, and the example in the Old Testament where God tells the Israelites to wipe out an entire nation, as arguments.
Our church hosted a talk about war, pacifism, etc., one night.
The speaker explained the idea of "Just War Theory" and how even though a lot of Christians use this to defend war, if you follow the tenets of the theory, there has not been ONE war that has been fought that would be considered a Just War.
Also, in the Old Testament, the example people are so quick to use in defending war, was an isolated incident, a command directly from God when Israel was directly RULED by God.
We do NOT live under a theocracy right now.
We are ruled by (sinful) men, and when someone decides to go to war, I have to think about the consequences of that, and if I believe that my support of that war is sinful, I must not support it.
The New Testament does not say we must blindly follow our political leaders, even if they "claim" to know Christ.
We need not submit when they are practicing evil.
No matter what I think about war, I think an argument can be made, even by Christians in favor of "wielding the sword" against evil.
But what does that mean?
First of all, I would say, even if you think that means using violence against our enemies, I don't believe under Christ's idea of evil being dealt with, that means civilians being killed.
Even if I don't support abortion, is it ok to bomb an abortion clinic?
Just to be clear, I am NOT ok with blowing up abortion clinics, but I wonder why other Christians are so quick to defend war, especially in cases where they believe the war would free oppressed people, but would then say they obviously would not support the bombing of an abortion clinic.
That's why I have to draw the line somewhere, and I really believe God calls us to solve the issues without violence.
If you are a Christian, and you're thinking "well that won't work!", I would first challenge you to think about the fact that the world is broken, and we are called to be restoring that broken-ness. Second, think about how God calls us to do things many times that might not make sense.
I know not everyone will believe in Jesus, but I do think I'm called to evangelism.
I know the bible says war will be inevitable, but Christ calls me to be a peacemaker.
I know if a man robbed me at gunpoint, he might still pull the trigger, even if I took a moment to share with him that his life could be different, and that Christ could set him free, but I still believe that's what I'm called to do.
How can anyone say it's alright to bomb civillians in order to protect others?
Or ourselves?
Did Christ ever say it was our responsibility to fight for, or defend our freedoms?
Even religious ones?
No.
He promised persecution, not freedom, not comfort.
It drives me insane when I hear Christians defend America so greatly.
I have a hard time being proud of a country that from the start was built on tearing down the lives of others, often in the name of religious freedom.
America does what it wants with no regard for the lives of others.
There's a song by my favorite songwriter, Nanci Griffith, that is about the wiping out of the Native Americans in our early history, and the chorus sums it up well:
"And the gold she lay cold in their pockets,
And the sun sets down on the trees
And they thanked the Lord for the land that they live in
Where the white man does as he pleases."
I don't have all the answers right now, and I admit it was a whole lot easier when I could just vote according to an easy-to-read pamphlet.
Now I have to vote, or not vote, according to my conscience, because I don't believe Jesus would have an less from me.
I know these thoughts are super scattered, I'm watching Amelie in a busy coffee shop trying to make sense of this, and it's not easy, but I had to get this off my chest.
"Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God." Matthew 5:9
Imagine if we were really peacmakers?
Imagine if that's how people thought of the children of God?
Monday, November 03, 2008
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I always just think of this as another aspect of our Faith and how we are being tested and taught by God. I mean we are not suppose to have it easy...far from that actually. I just pray for our children...things are getting worse and they are the next to have to deal with it all!
Abortion issues have always been heavy on my mind. I could never see how anyone could harm and unborn baby...after having the beauty of my children carried by me and birthed...I have never thought of termination based on problems that child may have or anything like that either. And I always think about how God never gives us what we can't handle...yet I have thought about how there are people that just plain don't want kids and timing can be everything, and I have to remember that there are so many out there wishing for kids and that there is another choice besides abortion...Adoption! And that all children are blessings no matter what the circumstances.
Yet it is hard to find a leader based on any of this because as you said, ultimately the leader is a human and humans are sinful...they will say and do things just to get what they want.
thank god for josh. ahhaha. but seriously. i actually do think there is a difference between the life of a civilian Iraqi child, and the life of an American unborn baby or the life of the child forced to work in a factory in a 3rd world country because of our policy in America and an unborn American baby... i think the children that are already here.. if it comes to defending one life over the other, are more important, not that i have the final say of what is truly more important, but we all decide what we believe is more important when forced. anyway i would defend a child who is already here over one who has not been born any day... even if it was my own. honestly if i had to protect a child here on earth but it would cause my baby inside me to die, that's what i would choose. not that that silly hypothetical situation will ever happen, but you know how i love those. (sorry nola.. aawwwwkward.) good post flo. lovie shovie.
Have you ever thought about the difference between being a peacemaker and being a peace-keeper? I think there is a difference.
I'm not defending the current war, but nothing compares to abortion in total fatalities, viciousness or helplessness of the vitcims. Nothing. Over a million children are killed every year in this country at the hands of doctors, many of them viable, some even born alive.
The most important issue of this election is that the next president will be the one to appoint at least 2, maybe up to 4, Supreme Court justices. The next four years will come and go. The president will be gone and another one in. But, Justices sit for life. We are voting on the issue of life for the next 50 years. We don't get to choose the Justices. We just get to choose the one who will choose them.
All the other issues are important--the economy, the environment, the poor, mortgage crisis, the war, etc. But, what compares to the 50 million children that have been legally murdered since Roe v. Wade? This is like an election for 50 years. It's not about the next four.
Anyway, I am glad that you "went there"! May as well! We only have one day left to rant about the election, eh?! :-)
I don't agree with your conclusions, but I respect you, and the way you come to them. That's all! :)
I love this post, Flo, and I am so glad you went there. I do not think there are hard and fast answers because most elections truly are trying to pick a lesser of evils - which I feel is an injustice in itself.
We actually missed the registration deadline, and are not voting this year, but after all our research and dialog, we would have been voting third party.
I'm pretty certain that if I had the "one issue" voting argument with my brother-in-law again and used some of your thoughts here in the argument...well I'd like to think they'd make a difference cause they make a difference to me. But alas, the argument with a lot of christians on what is just and what god has actually asked us to do is very muddled in people's minds. this is good things to think on, and makes me want to make the move to an island in the middle of nowhere.
any takers?
Thank you for posting this! I read your blog every so often from another blog, and I have to agree with you on this issue.
I am not one for abortion, but I think in reality and know that it is never going to end. Now if you want to get to the heart of the matter, it is education that is needed to stop abortions all together (another can of worms!)
I would sincerely hope that whoever gets elected would enact some sort of required education not just the teaching of abstinence to our youth who make up a bulk of unwanted pregnancies and abortions.
Thank you for looking at this issue from the other side, people seem to think we are crazy for actually caring about people who are already here, but that is how we should look at it. We can no longer turn a blind eye to the poverty around the world and oh yeah in our own back yard!
once again, thank you for posting this I like it!
Melissa
I promise when my son is president no babies will EVER be aborted in the ENTIRE WORLD, and everyone will make smores and sing around the campfire in perfect harmony EVERY NIGHT. Oh, wait. There go my "Scrubs-fashioned fantasies" vomiting themselves all over someone else's blog page again...Oopseydaisey.
In all seriousness, I respect how much thought always goes into drawing your conclusions and how eloquently you communicate them. I'm in a place of uncertainty myself on many of these issues that used to seem so black and white, and tho I don't see the world the exact same way that you do, I appreciate and empathize and respect your intellectual reasoning emmensely. Thanks for sharing... that was brave! Maybe some day I will brave the judement of others and 'go there' as well...
Awe, who am I kidding. I totally prefer the wise cracks.
i like what melissa said about there being education, because that's something i think the conservative christians who are so bent on being 'pro-life' forget about and in the end is WAY more important than the fight for abortion to be illegal, i wish all the energy and money going towards making it illegal would be spent on creating education and counseling... first because odds are truly that it never will be illegal, i am pro choice but i think the more important problem with abortion is the emotional affect it has on the women who endure this act, they deserve education before it takes place and counseling afterwards. no matter what pain those babies may or may not endure, it ends fast and my hope is that they are in a better place... but the women who go through that horrific procedure are left with feelings a lot of time they never knew they would have and a hold in their heart, they're not evil people, they're just women making a choice that sometimes they dont know the consequences of... i'm sure some women feel fine after, but a lot dont and in those cases there needs to be something there to catch them.... that is more important to me than just trying to stop something for the sake of what you believe is right... even if it became illegal, this would still take place... the only chance of it lessening is education.... not anger for unborn children and fighting to make it illegal. thats like trying to heal a cold with cold medicine... seems normal to a lot of people, but cold medicine wont heal you, it will only mask the true problem, and it certainly wont prevent another cold.
Thank you all so much for posting your comments.
I really appreciate that no one got nasty over anything:)
One of the reasons I haven't posted this stuff is because I'm not the most eloquent writer, and I have a hard time explaining things that make so much sense in my head.
In retrospect, I could have explained a little better.
Anyway, I know there aren't any easy answers.
People believe it is a grievous thing to let the unborn be killed, others think the same for letting people starve, or be killed in the name of war.
I'm so glad that ultimately, a sovereign God will make all things right.
Good point Skylana.
I wonder how many programs are out there to help educate women that could use some serious funding, instead of, say, funding a pointless war.
Hey, Flo! WHO could be nasty to you?!?!?!?! You just tell me and I'll deal with 'em! Better not mess with my future in-laws! LOL!
Daja-Hahahaha...I don't know..not really anyone I know...but sometimes controversial blog posts bring out the crazies, you know?
Mostly anonymous posters, but there haven't been any for this post...yet...
Your desire to really consider the (difficult) moral issues and hold opinions that are truly your own make me proud of you...your daughters have a smart and thoughtful mama, who is leading by example and teaching them that in this complicated world, sometimes gray is ultimately a better choice than black or white...
Wow, Flo...this is a GREAT post and it's wonderful to find that there are other Christians who aren't afraid to think outside of the pre-fabricated conservative Christian way of thinking that seems to be so pervasive.
You are AWESOME.
Hi. I'm an anonymous blogger who just stumbled upon your blog. I have always wondered how the republician party can for the most part be so pro-life and so pro-war. It just doesn't make sense to me. I am pro-life but cannot and will not just vote for someone because they are against abortion when we have had someone against abortion in office for 8 years with no change. Anyways i just wanted to say thanks for your thoughts!!
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